tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242881996852098.post3028897789906396872..comments2024-01-08T08:39:39.026-08:00Comments on The Open Source Paleontologist: Open Notebook Science for Paleontology?Andyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16171447306687358664noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242881996852098.post-84313637184210923122010-03-02T17:18:14.307-08:002010-03-02T17:18:14.307-08:00"Could anyone conceivably profit off of 20 cl..."Could anyone conceivably profit off of 20 closeup photos of a fragmented ceratopsian jugal bone?"<br /><br />Rule 34.Bill Hookerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00366270586730870964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242881996852098.post-90543425572928415092010-03-02T16:18:57.788-08:002010-03-02T16:18:57.788-08:00Andy - the more I follow what you are doing the mo...Andy - the more I follow what you are doing the more impressed I am! It think that the publication of a book as we discussed could be a solution that would answer many of the criticisms out there about archiving challenges. We are eager to help with providing images for the book - we just need your decision about whether to do it for each dinosaur or dinosaur family.Jean-Claude Bradleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157209601339686455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242881996852098.post-73521322109603197212010-03-01T22:29:33.435-08:002010-03-01T22:29:33.435-08:00Data curation is a neglected part of this cost, to...Data curation is a neglected part of this cost, too. . .it's more than just web hosting. Software gets outdated, servers crash, data formats change. . .Which is, as you state, part of where institutions can step in.<br /><br />I guess the main point here is that becoming dependent on any single funding source--whether it's NSF, an institution, or whatever--is not sustainable in the long-run.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16171447306687358664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242881996852098.post-29124120280762212932010-03-01T22:24:14.537-08:002010-03-01T22:24:14.537-08:00I agree that we don't know the long-term perma...I agree that we don't know the long-term permanence of these databases, but the institutions have made long-term commitments towards them. Web-hosting is relatively cheap these days.<br /><br />But what real guarantee of permanence will there be for a society-backed data archive. I'm in total favor of it, but I don't see how there is any better guarantee for this type of thing over the databases I just mentioned. Societies often become strapped for cash and could jettison the costs for maintaining a data archive to easily save a chunk of change.220myahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06403919493457640549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242881996852098.post-68741520788359476692010-03-01T21:02:17.869-08:002010-03-01T21:02:17.869-08:00I agree that all of those are wonderful projects. ...I agree that all of those are wonderful projects. . .but permanence is a relative thing nowadays. NSF funding is great for a few years, but what happens in two or three decades when priorities shift or the main people behind the efforts retire? The problem isn't unique to paleontology, but it will require more than just a string of NSF grants. I'd <i>really</i> like to see SVP and PS get behind a data archive where anyone can submit any data, but realistically this won't happen in the current financial environment. Long-term deposition of data requires long-term financial support from the stakeholders.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16171447306687358664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3467242881996852098.post-49743300611526445082010-03-01T20:52:40.845-08:002010-03-01T20:52:40.845-08:00"Beyond journals' supplementary informati..."Beyond journals' supplementary information, there is no permanent system for our field."<br /><br />Well, it remains to be seen how permanent even these archives are. But I'm not worried - as too many people have downloaded copies, so they're backed-up somewhere.<br /><br />The main reason I highlighted this statement is that I think a few NSF funded projects would beg to differ, such as <a href="http://www.digimorph.org/" rel="nofollow">Digimorph</a>, <a href="http://www.morphobank.org/" rel="nofollow">MorphoBank</a>, and the <a href="http://www.pbdb.org/" rel="nofollow">Paleobiology Database</a>. These aren't perfect for open notebook science, but they do serve as permanent repositories for data that may not make it into the paper.220myahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06403919493457640549noreply@blogger.com